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It's just a matter of TIME before it happens here, and I'll bet that 30% of the kwasome members on this forum will rejoice....:banghead:

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This is an excellent video covering the removal of gun ownership rights in Aus. and the UK.
I'd like to say that that won't happen here, but it probably will.
The likelihood of me dying by gunfire for not giving up my rights increases all the time.

****ing idiots.

For the last time....

CRIMINALS DON'T CARE IF GUNS ARE LEGAL TO OWN OR NOT.
tHAT IS WHAT CRIMINALS DO...THEY BREAK THE LAW.

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I cant get past the first minute..

I swear.......Every man in that country From the eldest down should be spit on and smacked right in their dam faces(Cant stop me now can they ??)

They are an absolute disgrace......... One of the duties that God gave Men was to be THE LAST LINE OF PROTECTION FOR THEIR FAMILY.
For you to WILLFULLY GIVE UP to tools of protection You become an affront to your creator.

If you are not willing to stand firm for the defense of your loved ones what will you stand up for??

Shameful bastards.........all of them.

T

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We are close to 200 years over due with a revolution. Every fricken Western country has been hijacked, and this is a pathetic fact.

Let the bodies hit the floor....:wink:

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You have to lose everything before you are free to do anything

As long as the military and the cops still have guns, it's proof positive that guns are a necessary tool for defense.

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Well dam.....

If I have the means to defend myself.......That also means

I WILL BE HEARD.

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You know Noc, I was going to tee off on your comment, but I think you might be right, but at the same time a sane person should not let it get to that point.

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I'm with you. It was tongue in cheek in this case - normally it's a very true comment about losing what you have before you're ready to go to war and truly have nothing to lose. But when we're talking about oppressive gun laws, it doesn't really apply AT ALL.

I am at least mildly relieved to see so many in Britain speaking about the dictatorship in place, in plain terms. But that talk isn't going to do anything.

The middle of the vid, they showed the mountain of thousands of AR type weapons, being picked up by a crane claw, drilled through, dropped into a furnace - that just spooked me right out.
And the collectors who were giving up gold plated colt revolvers....
That is wealth itself! And the government is STEALING IT.

And the lady they kept coming back to, "I feel for those who have lost their sport....but this is the price you pay for a safe society..." Ugh it gave me the chills up and down my spine!


Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who didn't. -Attributed to Many

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The liberal, free-loading, self-hating obamanacs will NEVER, repeat NEVER get my guns...ever

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[quote=TheNocturnalEgyptian;1425032]...And the lady they kept coming back to, "I feel for those who have lost their sport....but this is the price you pay for a safe society..." Ugh it gave me the chills up and down my spine!...

Seems to me that's most of the problem. All through the vid, over and over people were talking about their sport shooting. An Aussie was talking about hog hunting.

It ain't about sport and it ain't about hunting! It's about the ability to strike back against tyranny no matter what form it takes, .gov or violent criminals etc.

The right to own and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Just say no.

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EXACTLY......... SO IT DONT MEAN JACK SHYT.


T

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The only thing preventing our country from doing the same after January will be the senators from southern states who won't go along with it. Absent them, they'd do the same here.

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they will get yours and mine mark my words

But we will be dead

but so will some of them

the only thing that will save us is that our population is so spread out.

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Screw them ..........all of them and the donkey they road in on.

I Could care less what the &^^^%%#$@ they legislate.

All I know is this: ME AND MY SIDEARM ARE A MAJORITY!!!


T

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I DONT KNOW ONE GUBBERMINT GOON THAT IS WILLING TO DIE TO COLLECT FIREARMS.


T

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I never have either till I seen all the Obama kool aid drinkers

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Not exactly - at least not in England. I knew a chap, a registered firearms dealer, now dead - who did very well out of the self-certified valuation system for dealer's weapons they had at the time. Mr Plod hadn't got a clue on values of anything out of the ordinary.

This was all a long time ago. There are many more liberty eroding laws in the UK since then. :rant:

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On February 28, 1993, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) raided Mount Carmel. The raid resulted in the deaths of four agents

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BTW the lady in the video is a racist. She was being honest, and you know how those racists can be... DAMN HER, and DAMN HER HONESTY....:banghead:

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dAM I JUST DONT KNOW WHAT TO SAY

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I figure there are 3 methods they will use, incrementalism, and fear, those 2 are obvious.

The third and foremost will be chaos, they NEED chaos, to make the farm animals beg for fences and chains and sheepdogs. Expect at some point they will try and rule through chaos, it may come suddenly for us in America, unexpected like 9-11 was, an 'event' or quick succession of them.
:452:
I'm proud to stand here at GIM among what I sense are some remaining American MEN.

We know about media 'programming' but I feel there must also be some sort of chemical neutering of testosterone going on in our modern population, perhaps fluoridation and the like, maybe yet the fourth method... Thanks for the DISTURBING educational video!
(My guns fell out of my canoe 3 years ago, now LOST, GONE. Try and send me to prison for that? We'll see... I speak truth)

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I'm glad I sold all mine. I don't have to worry about registering it and later having it taken away without due compensation.

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I'll take a LIBERTY here now ... I'm going to share a personal communication via email from a wonderful friend in Canada about this very SAME issue ... I do this so you American brother's and sisters might see how a well meaning Canadian woman, only a friend, has confided in me her perspectives after I explained that America is just maybe "different" than Canada and Canada does not tend to object to "rule" ... HER KIND WORDS:

"You know, you've hit the nail on the head. It is true that we live in two different countries, and Canada probably shares more culturally with Europe than the US (or that has been my experience). I really don't need a gun. My government is not going to do anything sinister, yet your goverment well might. They could even stage something where you might want a weapon, as we've discussed previously.

And the US is wilder than Canada. There are parts of the US that are so foreign to the Canadian experience that i can't even describe. I went to New Orleans once, and had a wonderful time one evening. I was cruising Bourbon street for jazz music and while I was doing that a twelve year-old boy was murdered. It was racial, and it was violent and I couldn't believe I had been in the same place at the same time. Funny, because the locals warned me not to go out without more than four people in my group. A bunch of my friends and I had got together to enjoy New Year's there, so we were safe. I loved that city with a passion, yet there was something very dark about it that I recognized.

Here's a couple of funny stories about weapons in Canada. My friend was cleaning out her neighbour's basement after the last two of her sons had died of cancer. One of them had been a hunter. Being the good citizen she was, she walked into a station and said she had a weapon in her car she wanted to release. She was immediately surrounded by six cops who escorted her to her car and while her hands were held behind her back, the weapon was removed. An officer asked her is she had learned her lesson (you're supposed to phone ahead of delivery). She said, "Yes, next time I'll put it in my canoe and it will be dumped at the deepest point of the lake I'm on." They had to let her go.

Then my Dad died of lymphoma. He had a World War 2 German rifle that was probably worth a fortune. We were clearing his things and didn't know what to do. My step-mother, who had divorced Dad years previously, told us she would take care of it. It's at the bottom of Lake Louise. You just don't mess with weapons, even old ones, in Canada. In both cases, the permits had long since expired, but you're treated like a terrorist if you have one. Hunters are exempt, but that's about it.

Guns are viewed differntly in Canada as in the US. However, with the advent of home invasions, etc. more and more people are starting to keep a weapon. Unfortunately, they are often stolen and go to a gang. We're not used to weapons and their upkeep in Canada..."

Yes it's sad ... but it is not for her, sad for me I guess.

This woman is a good friend, and understand I learn much from her, we don't argue but rather exchange, but we understand we comes from slightly different cultures, me being a Southern American male of similar age. She and I enjoy our differences and maintain mutual respect.

I see myself also as a citizen of this planet with her, and everyone. Please respect my lady-friend with your comments, I only share them that we might see the way of the world, and our nation as Americans. I guess I'm just thinking, WHO ARE WE? -- THE PEOPLE?

Forgive me for what I share here without her knowing, anonymously. And I know this is a world-wide forum ... with due respects.

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History is repeating

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no sympathy here

marched according to the gov issued permit CHECK!

turned guns according to gov mandate CHECK!

insignificant slave for the gov machine CHECK!

weak people

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Thanks Meatman. Although some gov't goons were disgusting, I saw a lot of angry people in that video, they just didn't seem to have the will to buck the system. They were forced by gov't and media to become victims, not sure if they had much choice as 'society' out numbered them. Same thing could happen to us if we allow it.

One thing I've learned in life, congress critters do not listen to the majority. They do what TPTB say they are to do, just like with the bailout. How's that working for them?:36_1_28:

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I think we're unduly harsh and arrogant to the Brits and Aussies about what's happened to them. It's easy, in retrospect, to realize how each step carried their countries down the path to government confiscation and broad bans, but when it's happening for the first time and it's happening rather quickly, there is much more confusion and disbelief and disorganization to contend with.

We in the US have the benefit of having witnessed what happened to our British and Aussie cousins, and we've had years to think about it and organize and elect pro-gun politicians after witnessing it. Even so, look at us: We've already had one "assault" weapon ban, and we're headed for another. Not that we haven't lobbied and gotten many pro-gun laws passed or improved in the last 8 years, but how far have we really gotten? All it's taken is one election, and we're almost back where we started. If there's one media frenzy over one crazed shooter during this anti-gun administration, the laws we fought for could start slipping away so fast we'll barely have time to launch a defense. The political influence of the organizations we've worked hard to build will be swiftly eroded in our current nanny-state climate by a media that discounts, mocks, and reviles gunowners and a populace that has become used to gleefully villifying activities that not so long ago were considered normal (ask a smoker!).

We talk big about defending our guns with our lives, but it's much more likely that we'll be defending our guns with our bank accounts and property and possibly even our marriages and the custody of our children. Does anyone really think they'll confiscate guns by politely going door to door? What if they pass a law similar to the one they passed during the "war on drugs"? If you're suspected of having guns, they seize every asset you own, right down to the buttons on your shirt? And they don't owe you so much as a day in court to defend yourself (and your local police department gets a share of the assets seized...how's that for motivation?). What if they get serious about seizing our guns and instead of politely knocking on the door to ask for them, they just SWAT-team us in the middle of the night with a couple of flash-bangs through our families' bedroom windows? Would you risk subjecting your children to any of that? Would your spouse? What if your spouse doesn't want to risk as much as you're willing to risk to fight for your gun ownership rights? Would you choose your spouse and kids or your guns? Would your spouse turn in your guns while you're at work?

I believe many of us will hold out regardless of what the throw at us, but I also think a lot more gunowners will give in when the expense becomes too great, the paperwork piles too high, and quite possibly the security of their families will be at risk. I personally don't intend to turn mine in, and I'm trying to come to terms now with what that could mean for me in the future.

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Great Thread Meatman - this one should be a 'sticky' here in this Firearm section.

:wink:

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Yes, and I just hope like hell it makes a difference. I hope we're fighting a revolution and not martyring ourselves for a cause no one believes in anymore. I hope there are still many people in this country who believe in liberty and understand its value and realize that its worth the sacrifice.

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"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA. Ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the state."

-- Heinrich Himmler


And history repeats...


SIEG HEIL !
SIEG HEIL !
SIEG HEIL !

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A refresher course is on the horizion.

Soon.


T

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I wish people would stop using "liberal" as a pejorative. Liberal is not a synonym for socialist or gun-grabber. I own guns and support RKBA, but I consider myself liberal. A liberal is one who advocates individual liberty over circumscribed authoritarian state rule.

The terms liberal and conservative hardly have any cohesive and consistent meaning these days. You can't tell a liberal from a conservative half the time. The people who are usually labeled with those terms mostly all just look like authoritarians when you scratch the surface.

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Interesting Reflections on Gun Control by a Former Prime Minister
John Howard......

Open the link and then the sub text on Gun Control.

This is the man who outlawed Guns in Australia ...



http://www.abc.net.au/news/howardyears/

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My friend, you're confused on the terms.

You're a LIBERTARIAN by definition........not Liberal.

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he played the people over the massacre-

Obama could easily play the koolaid drinking sheep over something bad (like a school shooting)

its one thing when a bad thing happens, but when people take advantage of it for their own agenda, Just pisses me off

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Whatever..

It wont happen here........or better yet

IT WONT HAPPEN TO ME........I CAN ASSURE YOU .


T

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A-doubleplus-MEN to that silverblood. The problem is that many people that advocate the restriction or abolition of private firearm ownership also describe themselves as liberals. I agree totally that the authoritarian statist is most likely to use labels such as these.

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I wouldn't do one piece of paperwork.

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It's just a matter of time. Then here's the question. Do you leave the country?

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NO, stay and fight. All it takes is 3 percent to resist and they won't be able to stop it. When they come for the guns it is officially ON, that is a step over the line in many peoples minds.

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The resistance would be impossible to organize. The government would be very organized and anticipating a resistance. I know, I know... "leaderless rebellion". I guess you could say that has "worked" in Afghanistan and Iraq (for the opposition), but is has been COSTLY. We would be like the Ewoks fighting Storm Troopers, and we don't have "the Force". The fact is, we lost this country a long time ago. We are well past the point of fighting -- there is nothing left to fight for than pretty scenery. I'd rather just pack it up and go someplace small and globally insignificant.

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That is just the thing SLV there. No place that is " Globally insignificant"
As soon as you find a hidey hole they want that too.

They are not going to stop until they either own you or kill you nothing absolute control will satisfy them.

STAND AND FIGHT.

T

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I think you would be much better off moving somewhere in the US that has like minded people. There are only a handful of decent states left to choose from but I feel this will cause a concentration of freedom oriented people as we flee the oppressive states.

I'm sorry that you feel this way but luckily for us not everyone does and some are willing to fight for their freedom. Personally I will not be running away to live among strangers, I will stay and fight for freedom for my family, my state, and myself.

"I guess you could say that has "worked" in Afghanistan and Iraq (for the opposition), but is has been COSTLY."

Yes it has been very costly to US. Afghanistan and Iraq are a freaking joke compared to quelling a revolution here in the states. 80 Million gun owners. Say we get ~3%. That is over 2.6 MILLION armed and extremely pissed off people. These are also people that aren't living in the middle of the desert.

PLUS Iraq is about the size of California alone and our troops are spread out all over the country.

PLUS how many of the troops would kill their own friends and family? How many of the police? National guard? How many would return home and fight?

There are way to many variables to considering in a single post but I'll be honest I sure as hell wouldn't want to be on the govs side in all this. And trust me, there are ONLY two sides. Choose wisely.

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More good points. Where are you going to run away to? Personally I see no reason to waste my potential living in another country. This country NEEDs its good men to do something.

"All it takes for evil to prevail is for the good men to do nothing."

Not an exact quote but you get the idea. Fight for you principals, fight for your morals, FIGHT FOR WHAT IS RIGHT!. FIGHT FOR FREEDOM.

The Bill of Rights and Constitution don't mean SHIT in the end. If we ever truly want to be free we will be forced to fight for it. In the end 'they' only understand one thing and that is force.

Just my thoughts. :biggrin:

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I don't see anything worth fighting for. Our rights and freedoms? Our fathers and grandfathers already surrendered them by failing to exercise them. They don't exist anymore. Everyone thinks they do, but they haven't tried to exercise them lately. America will wake up and find out that their rights/freedoms are dead and gone.

I don't think there is any going back. Ron Paul's failed campaign shows that we can NEVER take our country back to 1820's Constitutionalism. All we can hope for is to derail the O-rgasm-bama communist tidal wave and replace our government with something new and better. Yeah right. We're dreaming. Even if Obama's socialist movement was derailed, something just as bad would take it's place.

I don't see anything worth fighting for. Our rights and freedoms aren't being taken away from us. They're already gone. They were forefeited. Now it lies with the individual to find a small place of solace and comfort to live out his days in peace.

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Brent speaks true

THE ONLY THING POWER HAS EVERY RESPECTED IS FORCE....................THAT IS THE WHOLE OF THE LAW.

History has show anytime you try to negotiate with your enemy they use that period . To consolidate their power and alliences with others to encircle you so that when the shooting finally does. starts

THERE WILL BE NO ESCAPE FOR YOU

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You have NO POWER compared to the evil that is planing your enslavement. Your statement above reveals your defeat. Armed resistance is merely suicide. The difference between bravery and stupidity is success.

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The commentator suggested you join the NRA.
My worry is that by joining the NRA or a handgun club, etc, you are stating publicly that you are a gun owner.
If you don't want big brother to know you are a gun owner, then I would think it would be best to stay away from any such organizations.
Perhaps I'm being too paranoid?

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Good point but also remember there are plenty of easy ways to help w/e lobby organization you want anonymously. Just get creative.

Sadly we live in a world of TIA and quite literally "Big Brother". It's getting harder and harder to live free and privately but it IS possible. Plenty of reading out there on how to do it.

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If arms are outlawed and confiscations are begun, remember who is responsible. Jackbooted thugs of whatever stripe, be it military, law enforcement or a civilian security force who may be assigned to go door to door are only the effect and not the cause.

After all, the folks who will be willing to go door to door haven't done so for a reason. They simply haven't been ordered to do so. If they're ordered to do so, let it come to your mind who declared war on your unalienable rights and who can also rescind such an order.

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TPTB are not that daft. They'd send troops from one part of the country to sort out "dangerous terrorists" hundreds of miles away who (to their eyes and ears) look and speak funny.

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GOOD that would unify the country. How many troops do they have? It's going to take quite a force. Especially considering the logistics involved. Sorry I just don't see it happening.

Now consider the global economic crisis and civil unrest that will surely follow. Will other countries be able to send troops to America to die trying to take our guns? Somehow I doubt it. They are going to have their own problems to worry about back home.

Just my opinion. :565:

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If you are faced with this situation, you first must resist the ones who come to your door before you go after their rulers. There is no alternative. If you comply with the poor little innocent jackbooted thugs or other folk who were compelled by their evil bosses to go get your guns, you'll have nothing afterward to fight with. Of course, you could always vote yourself to freedom. Yeah... we know that works.

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For example, send American troops to Canada and Mexico, and Mexican and Canadian troops to the US. They'll all be told that if they don't stop the rebellion that is brewing across the border, it'll soon spill over to their own towns.

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I said nothing about voting.

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It's a plastic additive to all the food containers[the liner inside your tin cans which is no longer tin]. Allan Watt cuttingthroughthematrix.com has done a lot of study on this chemical. It has cut the sperm count 90% in western countrys in the last 50 years.

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50% of the Australians buried their guns, 75% of Canadians buried their guns~~~~~~~~~too bad about the brits

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"It is in vain, sir, to extentuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH!"

Patrick Henry, 1775